In this conversation, Avril Haines will discuss various national security topics with Gregory Treverton.

Haines is the Director of National Intelligence in the Biden Administration. She formerly served in the Obama Administration as Deputy National Security Advisor and Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Treverton serves as the Chairman of the Global TechnoPolitics Forum and is a Professor of the Practice of International Relations and Spatial Sciences at the University of Southern California. Previously, he served on the first Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and was Chair of the National Intelligence Council in the Obama Administration.